Jul 29 06:18:49 Thank you for joining us at the CAcert SGM. I am Duane Groth, the President, and I'm the chairman for this meeting. The meeting will now start, and I would like to ask that everyone address their comments to the chair, and not interject. The first order of business is the approval of new memberships. This involves only the current members of the association, and I would ask all other users to Jul 29 06:18:49 I believe we have all board members here save Christian Jul 29 06:18:50 remain quiet while we go through this list. Jul 29 06:19:26 um, Duane or Wren is chairing this? Jul 29 06:19:34 wren said i was Jul 29 06:19:46 President presides as CHairman is my understanding Jul 29 06:19:48 --> kmp (~kmp@h000a277ac3ea.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:19:56 I will act as moderator (hopefully!) Jul 29 06:20:10 cool, just misunderstood...please cont Jul 29 06:20:38 if there are no objections I will turn the floor over to DuaneGroth to begin with Agenda item 1 which I believe is: Membership Jul 29 06:20:47 item 2, but anyways Jul 29 06:21:14 <-- WyattSullivan has quit (Quit: leaving) Jul 29 06:21:39 --> root (~root@207.168.10.36) has joined #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:21:58 Wren Hunt wren@hunt.org nominated by:Duane seconded by:Robert Jul 29 06:21:58 Motion: should this user be admitted as a member of CAcert, Inc.? Jul 29 06:22:09 <-- root (~root@207.168.10.36) has left #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:22:24 y Jul 29 06:22:39 seconded, I mean Jul 29 06:22:45 --> WyattSullivan (~root@207.168.10.36) has joined #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:23:02 i have a nomination and a second. any objections? Jul 29 06:23:10 Ummm I don't think motions need to be seconded Jul 29 06:23:16 Will all those in favour say yes, and all those against say no. Jul 29 06:23:19 k Jul 29 06:23:36 by all at this stage means robert/adam Jul 29 06:23:49 yes // motions do need to be seconded, generally??? Jul 29 06:24:03 that was [vote] // [comment] Jul 29 06:24:04 adam, yes Jul 29 06:24:16 application nominations don't need to be seconded, as they're already Jul 29 06:24:26 Yes Jul 29 06:24:36 yes Jul 29 06:24:43 I declare the motion carried. Jul 29 06:25:10 Can I interject Jul 29 06:25:16 #declare carried Jul 29 06:25:16 sure Jul 29 06:25:16 I have 27 new members Jul 29 06:25:31 paste them all Jul 29 06:25:37 should I dump them all here and we can perhaps vote to accept them all?> Jul 29 06:25:39 --- WyattSullivan is now known as loceur Jul 29 06:25:46 perhaps we list the members, then have one motion to approve them en toto? Jul 29 06:25:47 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to loceur Jul 29 06:25:47 and if anyone has any obkjections to any individual ones, amke note of them at the end Jul 29 06:25:57 --- loceur is now known as WyattSullivan Jul 29 06:26:09 ok, can anyone not a board member please refrain from commenting Jul 29 06:26:17 it's only confusing the situation Jul 29 06:26:23 Rob: paste away Jul 29 06:26:24 >WyattSullivan< could you de-op yourself in #cacert-sgm please? Jul 29 06:26:31 <-- KMPeterson has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040616]) Jul 29 06:26:32 this is the list I currently have Jul 29 06:26:33 Wren Hunt Jul 29 06:26:33 Mark Lipscombe Jul 29 06:26:33 Nathan Reilly Jul 29 06:26:34 Larry Lewis Jul 29 06:26:34 Simon Anderson Jul 29 06:26:34 Kevin Sartorelli Jul 29 06:26:34 Don Ellingsworth Jul 29 06:26:34 Larry Haywood Jul 29 06:26:34 Teus Hagen Jul 29 06:26:34 Kurt Stam Jul 29 06:26:34 Philip Storey Jul 29 06:26:35 Calum Morrel Jul 29 06:26:37 Gary Lee Adams Jul 29 06:26:37 Chris Martin Jul 29 06:26:38 Kevin Reiter Jul 29 06:26:39 Ben Richard Pollinger Jul 29 06:26:40 Redvers Llewellyn Davies Jul 29 06:26:41 Matthew Asham Jul 29 06:26:42 KMP Peterson Jul 29 06:26:44 Bobbie Harman Jul 29 06:26:44 Matthew Fanning Jul 29 06:26:44 Randolph Wilson Jul 29 06:26:47 Ryan Verner Jul 29 06:26:48 Vladimir Kilin Jul 29 06:26:48 Brett Williams Jul 29 06:26:49 Matthew David Hilmers Jul 29 06:26:50 Jerry Wyatt Sullivan Jul 29 06:26:51 I may have missed some Jul 29 06:26:58 will pick up missing people asap Jul 29 06:27:00 --- kmp is now known as KMPeterson Jul 29 06:27:09 Rob: did you get the couple I sent today? Jul 29 06:27:15 no Jul 29 06:27:26 I'll quickly have a look Jul 29 06:27:32 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to Rob Jul 29 06:27:34 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to Adam_Butler Jul 29 06:27:37 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to DuaneGroth Jul 29 06:27:47 --- DuaneGroth removes channel operator status from WyattSullivan Jul 29 06:28:46 Tina Kubota Jul 29 06:29:03 --- DuaneGroth has changed the topic to: Any commentry can be said in #CAcert, this is an official meeting and please refrain from speaking unless you have the floor Jul 29 06:29:18 Only found one more Tina Kubota Jul 29 06:29:28 ok Jul 29 06:29:31 must have been seconds Jul 29 06:29:32 np Jul 29 06:29:48 floor is requested from chair? how? (ettiquite, plz, so we know how to act appropriately) Jul 29 06:30:02 Unless there are any objections, we will vote on the entire new member list as a block, with a yes or no. Jul 29 06:30:19 "floor please" Jul 29 06:30:37 Yes Jul 29 06:31:45 duane question Jul 29 06:31:55 Adam_Butler has the floor Jul 29 06:32:04 i have Christian on the phone, he wants to proxy thru me... he is on the road to Frankfurt Jul 29 06:32:24 can he provide signed email/form later to prove this, and if so, how does one "proxy vote" and vote Jul 29 06:32:27 ? Jul 29 06:32:34 return floor to chair> Jul 29 06:33:10 The rules require that the proxy be done in writing. To make it official, you would need to receive an official proxy (the last page of the rules). Jul 29 06:33:47 Is this something you can do? Jul 29 06:33:56 christian can do this, says ok. okay after the fact (as in, he sends the copy of the form later today?) Jul 29 06:35:01 Proxies can't be after the fact, unfortunately. They must be held before voting on a particular motion. Jul 29 06:35:32 24hours prior to the meeting Jul 29 06:35:44 Unless there are any objections, we will vote on the entire new member list as a block, with a yes or no. Jul 29 06:35:57 i have the written proxy Jul 29 06:36:03 received yesterday Jul 29 06:36:08 was asking, can I submit to you TODAY Jul 29 06:36:12 (or is that too late) Jul 29 06:36:13 please table it Jul 29 06:36:21 (by email) Jul 29 06:36:45 table? Jul 29 06:37:06 can you send it to me by signed email Jul 29 06:37:36 can do, but will have to be from my office later today (no scanner here) // sorry everyone for taking up the time Jul 29 06:37:40 And also, can anyone who holds proxies that plan to use them as new members please forward them to me as soon as possible. Jul 29 06:38:38 If you don't have the proxy at the meeting, it's impossible to accept a vote based on it. Jul 29 06:39:00 For anyone holding proxies: you need to be able to show the meeting the proxy in order for it to be valid. Jul 29 06:40:05 --> jferg (~jferg@69.55.238.124) has joined #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:40:06 Failing any further questions, Motion: That all the above members be admitted as members of CAcert, Inc.? Will all those in favour say yes, and all those against say no. Jul 29 06:40:07 duane, i respectfully submit that it would be of exceptionally poor form to disenfranchize one of the existing board members (especially after I just paid god knows what for long distance) -- you may call christian yourself if you wish to confirm. (Again, respectfully submitted.) Jul 29 06:40:50 --- jferg is now known as JustinFerguson Jul 29 06:41:06 motion to amend: Jul 29 06:41:12 neither wren nor myself Jul 29 06:41:13 is aware Jul 29 06:41:25 If we don't follow the rules we have set for ourselves, the meeting will quickly turn into a farce. Christian set the time & date for this meeting, and we have a quorum so we can continue. Jul 29 06:41:27 of WHO signed/seconded/motioned these members Jul 29 06:41:42 may they please be posted (Rob, I suppose this would be to you) Jul 29 06:42:02 Robert: can you provide the list of nominators/seconders, or shall I? Jul 29 06:44:14 I object to the denial of Christian's proxy and request that said objection be included in the record. Jul 29 06:44:37 First Last Name Nominated Seconded Jul 29 06:44:38 Wren Hunt Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:38 Mark Lipscombe Robert Adam Jul 29 06:44:38 Nathan Reilly Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:38 Larry Lewis Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:38 Simon Anderson Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:38 Kevin Sartorelli Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:38 Don Ellingsworth Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:38 Larry Haywood Adam Duane Jul 29 06:44:38 Teus Hagen Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:38 Kurt Stam Wren Robert Jul 29 06:44:38 Philip Storey Robert Jul 29 06:44:40 Calum Morrell Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:44 Gary Adams Robert Wren Jul 29 06:44:44 Chris Martin Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:44 Kevin Reiter Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:45 Ben Pollinger Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:46 Redvers Davies Christian Robert Jul 29 06:44:46 Matthew Asham Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:47 KMP Peterson Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:48 Bobbie Harman Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:49 Matthew Fanning Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:49 Randolph Wilson Robert Duane Jul 29 06:44:51 Ryan Verner Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:52 Vladimir Kilin Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:56 Brett Williams Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:56 Matthew Hilmers Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:56 Jerry Sullivan Duane Robert Jul 29 06:44:57 Tina Kubota Duane Robert Jul 29 06:45:44 Motion: That all the above members be admitted as members of CAcert, Inc.? Will all those in favour say yes, and all those against say no. Jul 29 06:45:54 motion is seconded Jul 29 06:46:09 sorry Jul 29 06:46:16 no, I mean "I second" Jul 29 06:46:24 :) <-- not chastizing Jul 29 06:46:59 Type yes, or no Jul 29 06:47:24 Motion: That all the above members be admitted as members of CAcert, Inc.? Will all those in favour say yes, and all those against say no. Jul 29 06:47:47 yes Jul 29 06:47:53 yes Jul 29 06:48:40 AB vote is "NO", CB vote would have been "NO" Jul 29 06:49:04 I declare the motion carried. Jul 29 06:49:30 as I use my casting vote, as yes. Jul 29 06:49:50 I declare the motion carried, and welcome the new members of CAcert, Inc. Jul 29 06:49:58 Thanks! Jul 29 06:50:04 Why Thanks! Jul 29 06:50:08 woohoo Jul 29 06:50:10 thanks! Jul 29 06:50:38 Thank You, i'm glad to be a part of this association Jul 29 06:50:48 thanks Jul 29 06:50:51 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to BobbieHarman BrettWilliams calum_morrell Jul 29 06:50:51 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to chris_martin DonEllingsworth Kevin-Sartorelli Jul 29 06:50:51 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to KMPeterson MarkLipscombe MatthewAsham Jul 29 06:50:51 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to MatthewFanning MattHilmers NathanReilly Jul 29 06:50:51 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to Simon-Anderson TinaKubota VladimirKilin Jul 29 06:50:51 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to WrenHunt WyattSullivan Jul 29 06:50:58 welcome, all! Jul 29 06:51:02 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to randolphwilson Jul 29 06:51:06 w00t, thanks :) Jul 29 06:51:06 --- noidd is now known as RedversDavies Jul 29 06:51:11 thanks Jul 29 06:51:15 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to RedversDavies Jul 29 06:51:17 thanks Jul 29 06:51:33 Has anyone been missed? Jul 29 06:51:44 Eric Bennett Jul 29 06:51:51 that's in here? Jul 29 06:51:55 I haven't seen an email for him yet Jul 29 06:52:07 but I believe one is possibly on the way Jul 29 06:53:06 if the email shows up we'll pass a motion on it then Jul 29 06:53:28 um, to those of you sending me private chats... I am the unfortunate loser/user of bitchx and have NO idea how to respond privately! plz AIM or iChat --> SpringDeficit Jul 29 06:53:53 adam /msg nick message Jul 29 06:54:00 --- DuaneGroth sets mode +m #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:54:00 --- DuaneGroth sets mode +i #cacert-sgm Jul 29 06:54:37 Motion: does the board enjoy the confidence of the membership? Jul 29 06:55:04 is this a vote? Jul 29 06:55:13 Will all those who have confidence in the current board say yes, and all those who do not have confidence in the board please say no. Jul 29 06:55:21 no Jul 29 06:55:24 no Jul 29 06:55:28 no Jul 29 06:55:30 no Jul 29 06:55:31 no Jul 29 06:55:31 no Jul 29 06:55:34 no Jul 29 06:55:34 No Jul 29 06:55:36 no Jul 29 06:55:41 No Jul 29 06:55:47 Yes Jul 29 06:55:53 no Jul 29 06:55:55 no Jul 29 06:56:07 yes Jul 29 06:56:08 no Jul 29 06:56:14 yes Jul 29 06:56:38 is there a motion on the floor? Generally, if such a motion WAS on the floor, it would be mentioned as such...followed by some kind of explanation as to what the results of a "no" or "yes" vote means. Jul 29 06:56:53 (and seconded) Jul 29 06:57:02 I second the motion. Jul 29 06:57:17 oh screw it (though it should be seconded before we vote, Mark) lol Jul 29 06:57:24 as a matter of formality. The rules do not require that motions are seconded, but just in case, I seconnd the motion. Jul 29 06:57:53 AB -> Abstain CB -> Abstain Jul 29 06:58:34 This vote, being a critical vote, will remain open for five more minutes. Please vote, or abstain, as soon as possible. Jul 29 06:58:45 no Jul 29 06:59:08 Adam: your vote has been accepted, but as mentioned before, Christian's proxy is invalid, and his vote cannot be accepted. Jul 29 06:59:29 mis-read question-- please update my vote to No Jul 29 06:59:44 no Jul 29 06:59:51 No. Jul 29 06:59:57 recorded: DonEllingsworth's vote changed from yes to no Jul 29 07:00:01 DuaneGroth: thanks, but I will continue to submit christian's votes for the record just the same, if that's okay. thx. Jul 29 07:02:05 I have a request for membership for Eric Bennett Jul 29 07:02:18 after this vote closes Jul 29 07:02:24 is eric in the channel? Jul 29 07:02:35 he is not Jul 29 07:02:37 (has it been seconded etc?) Jul 29 07:02:42 No Jul 29 07:03:12 WyattSullivan: can you clarify you answer as a vote or an answer Jul 29 07:03:18 no Jul 29 07:03:19 vote: no Jul 29 07:03:26 thanks for asking Jul 29 07:03:37 need to clarify everything to be sure Jul 29 07:03:39 There being a majority of members voting no, the members find no confidence in the board. The board is discharged. Jul 29 07:03:56 Being the public officer, and there being no current board, I would like to set the date of the coming election to the 21st of August, being the required 21 days notice for elections. Are there any objections to this date? Jul 29 07:04:25 No objection here. Jul 29 07:04:50 no objection Jul 29 07:04:56 no objections Jul 29 07:04:57 no objection Jul 29 07:04:58 no objection Jul 29 07:05:04 no objection Jul 29 07:05:05 no objection Jul 29 07:05:09 no objection Jul 29 07:05:16 I would like the current board to be in place UNTIL the 21st Jul 29 07:05:25 too late WyattSullivan Jul 29 07:05:26 no objection Jul 29 07:05:27 no objection Jul 29 07:05:33 Question for the Chair: Is there a clause in the constitution that permits the AGM date to be set earlier than the 21 days notice if all members of the association are notified? Jul 29 07:05:37 no objection Jul 29 07:05:40 no objection Jul 29 07:05:44 the board has been discharged Jul 29 07:05:48 no objection Jul 29 07:06:11 RedversDavies: there is no provision unfortunately Jul 29 07:06:13 AB: "thanks" CB: "Thanks." Jul 29 07:06:34 Thank you Chair, I have no objection Jul 29 07:07:04 I object and would like an interim board until the 21st Jul 29 07:07:17 too late ? Jul 29 07:07:23 Wyatt: You need to propose a motion Jul 29 07:07:33 WyattSullivan: The board has been discharged, the horse has already bolted. Jul 29 07:08:12 WyattSullivan: nothing can be done by the public officer acting alone other than calling the election Jul 29 07:09:06 WyattSullivan: the next meeting will elect a board, in the mean time nothing is able to be changed. Jul 29 07:10:13 MarkLipscombe: Date for this is set when? (Sorry if this is a repeat.) Jul 29 07:10:22 Adam_Butler: Duane said the 21st of August Jul 29 07:10:40 being the earliest that the election can be held Jul 29 07:10:47 I make a motion to create an interim board that will be active until the 21st of August at which time a perament board will be created Jul 29 07:11:08 Will the chair recognise WyattSullivans motion? Jul 29 07:12:08 The chair recognises the motion. Is anyone willing to second this motion? Jul 29 07:12:15 Floor please. Jul 29 07:12:25 floor is given to MarkLipscombe Jul 29 07:12:28 I will second the motion. Jul 29 07:12:53 I would request discussion on the motion, as I'm not 100% sure what is entailed by request...? Jul 29 07:13:26 Any installation of a board at this meeting would breach the rules and be invalid on its face. The rules clearly require 21 days notice to appoint any board member. A casual vacancy may be filled by a vote of the current board, but there being no board, and the vacancy not being casual, this does not apply. Jul 29 07:14:04 floor? Jul 29 07:14:21 on that note, I would urge everyone to vote no if this motion goes to a vote, as the earliest legitimate opportunity to appoint a new board is 21 days from now. Jul 29 07:14:27 and I return the floor to Duane Jul 29 07:14:33 NathanReilly has the floor Jul 29 07:15:05 A position is deemed open as a casual vacancy if the position is retired or the person is removed from that position Jul 29 07:15:21 that would mean that all positions are now casual vacancys Jul 29 07:15:26 and open to apointment Jul 29 07:15:34 return teh floor Jul 29 07:15:36 ++ Jul 29 07:15:53 floor? Jul 29 07:15:53 NathanReilly: the committee has to appoint vacencies Jul 29 07:15:55 may I have the floor? Jul 29 07:15:57 May I have the floor again? Jul 29 07:16:05 I defer to Mark Jul 29 07:16:05 MattHilmers: has the floor Jul 29 07:16:57 I would like to agree with MarkLipscombe's previous observations and note an objection to the motion based on 4.27.3. This motion is outside the scope of business for this meeting. Jul 29 07:17:08 I return the floor to the chair. Jul 29 07:17:16 MarkLipscombe: has the floor Jul 29 07:18:29 Matt Hilmers is correct, it is outside the agenda, and cannot be entertained at this meeting. I note also that 3.15.4 specifies that only the committee (board) may fill a casual vacancy. The membership cannot act to fill it. There being no board, the vacancy cannot be filled. Jul 29 07:18:33 * MarkLipscombe returns the floor Jul 29 07:18:44 Floor please Jul 29 07:18:51 RedversDavies: has the floor Jul 29 07:19:50 Thank you Mr Chair. I would like to ask the chair what his opinion as to the currect state of our association is. Since we have no board who is legally responsibvle for legal items such as financial reports or discussions with the government Jul 29 07:19:55 return to the chair Jul 29 07:21:00 The public officer becomes the official of record for any kind of legal matters until the board is elected. Everything will carry on as usual, just no board decisions may be made until the new board is elected. There is no pressing need for there to be a board for the next 21 days. Jul 29 07:21:28 floor Jul 29 07:21:33 NathanReilly: has the floor Jul 29 07:21:35 floor Jul 29 07:22:09 just a question regading a motion i didn't see closed earlier, which was the approval of the membership of Eric Bennett. Jul 29 07:22:16 * NathanReilly returns the floor Jul 29 07:22:47 floor Jul 29 07:22:56 WyattSullivan: one sec Jul 29 07:23:03 it's taking time to type everything Jul 29 07:23:14 Nathan: The motion to remove the board means that new memberships cannot be approved. They are approved by the board. Jul 29 07:23:17 I am logging everything Jul 29 07:23:28 WyattSullivan: has the floor Jul 29 07:23:56 3.20.1 states an association may by resolution appoint another person to hold office until the experation of the term of office of the member so removed Jul 29 07:23:58 duanegroth: the motion was raised before the board was disolved Jul 29 07:23:58 >chris_martin< woot! Jul 29 07:24:19 3.19.e says that it is a casual vacancy Jul 29 07:24:59 you can have the floor back Jul 29 07:25:02 floor? Jul 29 07:25:16 MarkLipscombe: has the floor Jul 29 07:26:16 Not withstanding there being some way to appoint a temporary board, I feel that it would be inappropriate, as any board that is appointed will be able to pick and choose which memberships to accept, and stack votes in a given direction. I would ask the chair to call for any seconds to this motion, and would urge everyone to vote it down. Jul 29 07:26:20 * MarkLipscombe returns the floor. Jul 29 07:26:35 Returning to the motion at hand. Is there anyone seconding Wyatt Sullivan's motion? Jul 29 07:26:36 floor Jul 29 07:26:37 floor? Jul 29 07:27:14 NathanReilly: has the floor Jul 29 07:28:08 I seconded that motion earlier, but given the arguments given by MarkLipscombe I would like to withdraw my second. Jul 29 07:28:32 recorded: RedversDavies seconded motion, then revoked his second Jul 29 07:28:40 15.4 states that casual vacancies must be filled by the committee. We have no committee. We cannot fill these vacancies. We have a public officer which is able to fill offical duties until the new committee is voted in. Jul 29 07:28:52 I would like us to cease discussion of this and carry on with the meeting Jul 29 07:29:00 * NathanReilly returns the floor Jul 29 07:29:14 May I have the floor please? Jul 29 07:29:14 chris_martin: has the floor Jul 29 07:29:26 chris_martin: has the floor Jul 29 07:29:30 I must agree with MarkLipscombe and NathanReilly Jul 29 07:31:19 Duane: May I please have the floor? 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I returned the floor Jul 29 07:35:30 [00:33:28] And, as much of a hindrance 21 days may be Jul 29 07:35:30 [00:33:28] it is not that long Jul 29 07:35:30 [00:33:28] chris_martin returns floor Jul 29 07:35:30 [00:33:48] My message seemd to have been lost Jul 29 07:35:30 [00:34:05] I returned the floor Jul 29 07:35:45 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to Adam_Butler Jul 29 07:35:55 --- DuaneGroth gives voice to MattHilmers NathanReilly Jul 29 07:36:33 I'll ask again for a second on WyattSullivan's motion Jul 29 07:37:57 I will wait one more minute for any second, and will then move a motion to close the meeting. Jul 29 07:38:02 Sorry, Duane - what's the motion? Jul 29 07:38:10 motion was for an interim board Jul 29 07:38:26 but most people have objected stating it conflicts with our rules Jul 29 07:38:33 I make a motion to create an interim board that will be active until the 21st of August at which time a perament board will be created Jul 29 07:38:40 3.20.1 spells it clearly Jul 29 07:38:55 sorry didn't have floor. Jul 29 07:39:09 No seconds were forthcoming. Jul 29 07:39:31 I declare the motion not carried. Jul 29 07:40:52 I note for the record that the current board has been discharged, and that an election will be held on 21 August 2004. I move that the meeting be closed, with a further meeting to be held at a date to be fixed after the election. Jul 29 07:41:04 Second. Jul 29 07:41:05 Seconded Jul 29 07:41:06 one minute Jul 29 07:41:15 floor Jul 29 07:41:45 There is a motion first, Nathan. Jul 29 07:41:57 Will all those in favour say yes, all those against say no. Jul 29 07:42:01 yes Jul 29 07:42:04 then no :) Jul 29 07:42:05 yes Jul 29 07:42:06 yes Jul 29 07:42:07 yes Jul 29 07:42:08 yes Jul 29 07:42:09 No Jul 29 07:42:12 yes Jul 29 07:42:18 I say no in order to entertain the motion just brought up. Jul 29 07:42:26 no Jul 29 07:42:32 yes Jul 29 07:42:35 yes Jul 29 07:42:45 Yes Jul 29 07:42:46 * MatthewAsham shrugs Jul 29 07:42:47 yes Jul 29 07:42:57 yes Jul 29 07:43:07 I vote no because I have no idea what motion was brought up (damn netsplit) CB vote=no Jul 29 07:43:32 vote to close meeting: yes Jul 29 07:43:43 >Adam_Butler< why didn't you say something before Jul 29 07:43:57 meh, i change my vote to yes Jul 29 07:44:03 yes Jul 29 07:44:12 recorded: NathanReilly changed his vote from no to yes Jul 29 07:44:31 yes Jul 29 07:44:45 well hell then, plz note changes to AB & CB votes = yes, Yes Jul 29 07:44:49 I'll wait one more minute for votes on this motion for the record. Jul 29 07:45:14 recorded: Adam_Butler changed vote from no to yes Jul 29 07:46:43 I declare the motion carried, and close the meeting. Thank you all for attending. A copy of the meeting minutes (IRC log) will be posted to the mailing list as soon as possible.