[20:55:57] Teus Hagen: ok some preparations:
[20:56:19] … add Foundations Policy (in draft?) to WiP agenda pint
[20:57:04] … Cachaca project def is somewhat in the mail. It is about principle and total cost estimation.
[20:58:03] … get email decisions on wiki: http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/EmailBoardDecisionsUpdateFeb2008
[20:58:28] … Agenda is on: http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/BoardMinutes-20080229
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[21:03:59] Teus Hagen: ok ready for Greg ...
[21:04:33] Greg Rose: I didn't think (until about 1 minute ago) that I would be chairing. Seems to me that Teus has done all the prep.
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[21:05:57] Teus Hagen: yes. Just say...
[21:06:08] Greg Rose: you're in charge
[21:06:17] Teus Hagen: ok welcome
[21:06:34] … see page on deciusions some issues need to be cleaned up
[21:07:07] … m2070806.1 openess
[21:07:23] … accepted?
[21:07:27] Greg Rose: aye
[21:07:28] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:07:30] Guillaume Rogmany: yes
[21:07:41] rcruikshank: aye
[21:07:47] Teus Hagen: m20070824.1 pay pal
[21:07:54] … accepted?
[21:08:02] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:08:08] Guillaume Rogmany: ok
[21:08:12] Greg Rose: Yes, already happened.
[21:08:42] Teus Hagen: m20070824.2 secr pay pal access
[21:08:49] … accepted?
[21:08:55] Evaldo Gardenali: implemented, then overturned
[21:08:58] … access is not needed
[21:09:10] … should we pass a motion now to overturn it formally?
[21:09:22] Guillaume Rogmany: I guess so
[21:09:41] … or reject the motion
[21:09:47] Teus Hagen: so cancell this
[21:10:03] Evaldo Gardenali: its already voted favourable afaik.
[21:10:11] Greg Rose: The decisions should be a record of what actually happened. I think we did accept it, and shhould now pass a motion to revise it.
[21:10:32] Evaldo Gardenali: yeah, we should not edit the past.
[21:10:44] Teus Hagen: yes revise (sorry for the word cancelled)?d
[21:11:06] Greg Rose: Motion: to rescind motion m20070824.2.
[21:11:18] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:11:22] … (seconded)
[21:11:22] Teus Hagen: aye
[21:11:26] Guillaume Rogmany: aye, rescind
[21:11:27] rcruikshank: aye
[21:11:40] Teus Hagen: m20071122.1 Change PO Box address Accepted? :-)
[21:11:45] Greg Rose: aye
[21:11:48] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:11:52] Guillaume Rogmany: aye
[21:11:54] rcruikshank: aye
[21:12:07] Teus Hagen: m20071129.1 housestyle. Accepted?
[21:12:17] Greg Rose: aye
[21:12:21] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:12:28] rcruikshank: aye
[21:12:31] Guillaume Rogmany: ok
[21:13:03] Teus Hagen: m20071209.1 Accept severe downtime services  No need any more. Perhaps later when Cachaca comes in action. So reviesed to Cachaca need?
[21:13:20] Evaldo Gardenali: Motion: to rescind m20071209.1 Accept severe downtime services and travel expenses Austria/Nld. - Accept severe downtime CAcert services on completing move last services to Nld.
[21:13:40] Greg Rose: Aye, second.
[21:13:45] Teus Hagen: aye
[21:14:02] Guillaume Rogmany: Aye, we have no better choice
[21:14:12] rcruikshank: aye
[21:14:32] Teus Hagen: m20071218.1 Org. Assurance intermediate action for Nld Can be cancelled.
[21:14:39] … No objection?
[21:14:44] Evaldo Gardenali: go for the motion
[21:15:01] … motion: to rescind m20071218.1 Org. Assurance intermediate action for Nld
[21:15:04] Greg Rose: Fine.
[21:15:07] Teus Hagen: no motion now needed.
[21:15:19] Evaldo Gardenali: ah, ok
[21:15:28] Teus Hagen: m20071229.1 Raise Frans Steegh to 200 or 150 level.
[21:15:43] … Has been done but only saw one Aye from Greg...
[21:15:45] Greg Rose: I think we decided 150.
[21:15:54] Teus Hagen: yes 150.
[21:16:02] … He got 150
[21:16:12] Evaldo Gardenali: ok, no comments from me on that.
[21:16:24] Guillaume Rogmany: ok for 150, it seems wise not to choose 200
[21:16:46] Teus Hagen: m20080109.1 Accept secure-u association in Germany is later on agenda.
[21:17:03] … m20080114.2 GPL version V3; pospone?
[21:17:14] Evaldo Gardenali: I would postpone
[21:17:32] Teus Hagen: same for m20080114.3 Use FSF FDL licensing for CAcert documentation
[21:17:33] … OK?
[21:17:37] Evaldo Gardenali: fine
[21:17:52] Guillaume Rogmany: ok
[21:18:05] Greg Rose: postpone.
[21:18:15] Teus Hagen: ok
[21:18:20] … missing: installation audit system + domain name, Daniel Black as email system mngr.
[21:18:23] … motions?
[21:19:12] … ok for installing audir system + domaoin name. Accept? (is already installed)
[21:19:20] Evaldo Gardenali: domain name already covered by the top, no?
[21:19:29] Greg Rose: OK
[21:19:37] Teus Hagen: not sure. So make it sure...
[21:19:41] Guillaume Rogmany: ok, for Daniel Black as email sysadm. I have seen the audit system, so ok for me
[21:19:52] Teus Hagen: aye for me
[21:19:55] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:20:09] Greg Rose: Aye for Daniel/
[21:20:25] Teus Hagen: any objections to these two: audit plus email admin.
[21:20:42] … any missing points?
[21:20:47] Evaldo Gardenali: what is it exactly?
[21:21:00] Teus Hagen: any missing decisions?
[21:21:02] Guillaume Rogmany: Do we need to check for the domain ?
[21:21:11] Teus Hagen: yes
[21:21:17] … for M-SC
[21:21:18] Evaldo Gardenali: Guillaume: domain is already in Robert's control
[21:21:33] Guillaume Rogmany: Evaldo : ok
[21:21:43] Teus Hagen: ok no more forgotten email decisions?
[21:22:01] … then back to agenda: finances
[21:22:05] … Robert?
[21:22:57] rcruikshank: ok I'm doing some research into tax obligations to ATO.
[21:23:34] Teus Hagen: if needed this can have implications to by-laws so subjected to AGM?
[21:23:35] rcruikshank: and we need to include a couple of statements to ensure we are nonprofit
[21:24:39] Teus Hagen: Do you have short info on current fin situation?
[21:26:10] rcruikshank: I believe we can self assess tax exemption
[21:26:35] Greg Rose: I think can self-assess too.
[21:26:40] rcruikshank: this means that we follow a couple of rules and we can assume we are exepmt
[21:27:11] Teus Hagen: ok, if needed by-law proposal to AGM. Conclusion: no expections for trouble here.
[21:27:22] rcruikshank: don't have to let the ATO know as long as we have these statements in our constitution
[21:27:28] … Non-profit clause
'The assets and income of the organisation shall be
applied solely in the furtherance of its above-mentioned
objects and no portion shall be distributed directly or
indirectly to the members of the organisation except as
bona fide compensation for services rendered or expenses
incurred on behalf of the organisation.'

Dissolution clause
'In the event of the organisation being dissolved, the
amount that remains after such dissolution and the
satisfaction of all debts and liabilities shall be transferred
to another organisation with similar purposes which is not
carried on for the profit or gain of its individual members.'"
[21:28:04] … I believe we have the first statement in some form or other but may not have the second
[21:28:25] Guillaume Rogmany: I remember so but ?
[21:28:29] Evaldo Gardenali: ok, we need those to be decided on an AGM, because they are bylaws modification
[21:28:36] Teus Hagen: Yes the second is not that urgent I hope?
[21:28:54] rcruikshank: no the intent is there'
[21:29:07] Teus Hagen: OK make it more clear via by-law change at AGM. So we add it there.
[21:29:18] rcruikshank: ok
[21:29:24] Teus Hagen: More to say about this?
[21:29:34] Greg Rose: no, closed.
[21:29:34] rcruikshank: no not at this stage
[21:29:38] Teus Hagen: Fin positiion?
[21:29:51] rcruikshank: money has arrived from NLnet
[21:30:19] … some AU$14300
[21:30:29] Teus Hagen: and that is need for audit project.
[21:30:56] rcruikshank: cash in the bank apart from that is about 12000
[21:31:38] Teus Hagen: no need to fear for shortage for this year?
[21:31:40] rcruikshank: I'm looking at using GNUcash as an accounting system
[21:31:54] … no I don't think so
[21:32:07] Teus Hagen: membership fees?
[21:32:27] rcruikshank: have not seen any membership fees
[21:32:42] Evaldo Gardenali: membership fees are due July 1st. I will coordinate with Robert appropriately
[21:32:55] rcruikshank: we need to use that reoccuring paypal system so people are automaticaly reminded to pay
[21:33:00] Teus Hagen: OK so there will be a chase for that...
[21:33:15] … More on finances?
[21:33:17] Greg Rose: recurring is good.
[21:33:20] rcruikshank: no
[21:33:47] Teus Hagen: Greg: thanks for joining and helping CAcert for about one year!
[21:33:56] Greg Rose: Sorry I had to go.
[21:34:19] Teus Hagen: hope you may help otherwise in the future when possible.
[21:34:20] rcruikshank: sorry to see you go
[21:34:28] Greg Rose: … Happy to help in any other ways I can.
[21:35:06] Evaldo Gardenali: motion to remove Greg's reasons from the public log
[21:35:07] Teus Hagen: Applaus for your help: thanks again.
[21:35:41] Greg Rose: It's been a pleasure.
[21:35:45] Guillaume Rogmany: Thanks for your help...
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[21:36:39] Teus Hagen: ok point 5: Oophaga and secure-u: to accept them?
[21:36:43] Greg Rose: That would be very nice. Don't know what happened to the other ones.
[21:36:56] … yes (to OOph and S-u)
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[21:37:58] Teus Hagen: ok; please point 5:-)
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[21:38:35] Teus Hagen: got one Aye from Greg.
[21:38:36] Guillaume Rogmany: ok for Oophaga, ok for Secure-u but we have to make sure Secure-u is not going to interfere with CAcert activities
[21:39:08] Evaldo Gardenali: Guillaume: care to explain?
[21:39:25] Teus Hagen: Secure-u: need to define a statement of understanding. CAcert should take a lead in that. Ask M-SC to propose this?
[21:40:06] rcruikshank: MoU?
[21:40:10] Guillaume Rogmany: Evaldo : ok, I am a bit afraid we'll have similar roles with Secure-u (domain name delegation...)
[21:40:46] … maybe we need to define what CAcert do and what Secure-u do. it is not clear for me so far.
[21:40:52] Teus Hagen: yes. The current wordings are ok and are there. They need to be combined I think.
[21:41:05] Evaldo Gardenali: Guillaume: it's just a matter of making an acknowledgement clause on the MoU. did you read the policy on foundations?
[21:41:20] Guillaume Rogmany: Evaldo : I didn't get it
[21:41:40] Evaldo Gardenali: it's linked from the agenda: http://svn.cacert.org/CAcert/Policies/PolicyOnFoundations.html
[21:42:03] Teus Hagen: Evaldo is saying: they are subejected to the foundation policy. So they should at least ack that.
[21:42:22] … Ask M-SC to go after that?
[21:42:24] Guillaume Rogmany: ok now it is clearer for me.
[21:42:50] Greg Rose: Sounds reasonable and they should be able to do it OK.
[21:42:53] Guillaume Rogmany: (thanks)
[21:43:22] Teus Hagen: Is there need for action point on this for M-SC?
[21:43:31] Evaldo Gardenali: motion to delegate creation of a memorandum of understanding with Secure-u e.V. to Management Sub-committee
[21:43:43] Greg Rose: Second, aye.
[21:43:46] Teus Hagen: Aye second
[21:43:46] Guillaume Rogmany: aye
[21:43:51] rcruikshank: aye
[21:44:09] Teus Hagen: OK agenda point 6:
[21:44:19] … Accept the Memorandum of Understanding with Ian Grigg for Audit Project work totalling 36K euro.
[21:44:35] Evaldo Gardenali: is there a link to the MoU with Ian?
[21:44:48] Teus Hagen: This is the MoU-Ian.
[21:45:35] … Robert/Teus and Greg in the start created it with review with Ian.
[21:45:54] … Motion to accept the Ian-MoU
[21:46:04] Greg Rose: aye
[21:46:08] Evaldo Gardenali: aye
[21:46:09] rcruikshank: second and aye
[21:46:22] Teus Hagen: Aye from me
[21:46:34] … Guillaume?
[21:46:37] Guillaume Rogmany: abstain as I am not sure
[21:46:59] … I haven't read MoU
[21:47:08] rcruikshank: do you want me to email to you
[21:47:18] Teus Hagen: Please inform when you have comments This as we are tallking about 36K and quite some improtant work for CAcert.
[21:47:27] Guillaume Rogmany: robert : yes please
[21:47:37] … ok but I am ok with the funding
[21:47:42] Evaldo Gardenali: robert, emailing all the board would be best
[21:48:02] … for archiving reasons
[21:48:21] rcruikshank: ok will do
[21:48:36] Teus Hagen: OK give Guillaume 24 hours to comment if not it is accepted? OK for you Guillaume?
[21:48:48] Guillaume Rogmany: Teus : ok
[21:48:54] Evaldo Gardenali: ok
[21:49:14] Teus Hagen: How about to put this MoU on the wiki/svn?
[21:49:23] … no objecteions I hope.
[21:49:28] Evaldo Gardenali: svn would be best
[21:49:55] Greg Rose: must be made public somehow. I agree svn.
[21:49:59] Teus Hagen: same for NLnet MoU I think.
[21:50:19] … no objections I guess.
[21:50:48] … Can I proceed to point 7: Nld move and Cachaca?
[21:51:03] Greg Rose: What does "Cachaca" mean?
[21:51:12] … the word, that is.
[21:51:20] Evaldo Gardenali: Greg: Brazilian distilled beverage... I guess you tasted it
[21:51:35] Greg Rose: Ahhh... good name.
[21:51:56] rcruikshank: as long as it doesn't get smashed
[21:52:02] Greg Rose: I knew I'd heard it but couldn't remember. I was thinking Cucaracha.
[21:52:24] Evaldo Gardenali: cucaracha is cockroach in spanish
[21:52:31] Guillaume Rogmany: ok we have a dancing board now
[21:52:41] Greg Rose: Yes, I know.
[21:52:44] Teus Hagen: Motion: to agree in principle to start special techn project for moving last two servers to Nld steared by Evaldo. Cost estimation is 4300 euro. It falls below audit project work and is funded via that route.
[21:53:22] … Details are done by M-SC, Philipp/Evaldo and Ian.
[21:53:31] Greg Rose: Agree. I must say I worry about Philipp's reaction though.
[21:53:53] rcruikshank: what is Philipp's reaction
[21:53:55] Evaldo Gardenali: Greg: he is already aware, ...
[21:53:59] Guillaume Rogmany: Aye, I second that. We have to move the servers for the audit.
[21:54:20] rcruikshank: aye
[21:54:21] Evaldo Gardenali: I guess he had family/job problems recentlyy
[21:54:34] Teus Hagen: aye from me.
[21:54:43] Evaldo Gardenali: abstain for conflict
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[21:56:27] Teus Hagen: move to point 8: policy status.
[21:57:08] … reminder: board or CACert Inc. can withdraw a policy. I think there is no need to?
[21:58:20] Evaldo Gardenali: note: WIP for BR was emailed a while ago, just was not added to svn. will do soon
[21:58:30] Teus Hagen: OA needs some thought: we need more boot mechanism. So question more general is can board do decsions when policies are not ok. Eg for OA it can start that board as done with Nld OA request do acceptances and eg install OA Assurers?
[21:58:50] … Ok will add BR.
[21:58:58] Greg Rose: BR?
[21:59:13] Teus Hagen: Brazil?
[21:59:16] Evaldo Gardenali: well, exceptions are not a nice way to bootstrap
[21:59:18] … yes, Brazil
[21:59:22] Greg Rose: Ah, OK.
[22:00:02] … I just mention that I know a guy interested in doing OA for US.
[22:00:10] Teus Hagen: Back to my question: CAcert Inc. and board to get more responsibilites to close gaps in policies...
[22:00:20] Evaldo Gardenali: if we do not have people who understand local laws and define a sub-policy, we are not much help "ASSURING"=="ASSERTING TO HAVE VERIFIED" organizations
[22:00:31] Teus Hagen: OA US please forward name to join that US team
[22:00:41] Guillaume Rogmany: we have to rule for the gaps in the policy if needed.
[22:01:18] Evaldo Gardenali: Guillaume: we do have rules: policy needs correction, or a sub-sub-policy needs to be created for the specific case
[22:01:25] Greg Rose: I think it is necessary because otherwise it sometimes takes too long to make decisions. But Board shold intervene as little as possible.
[22:01:30] Teus Hagen: Eg so board can decide to install OA Assurers or take advise from local; assurers on OA applications?
[22:01:59] Guillaume Rogmany: rule if needed = as a last resort
[22:02:12] Teus Hagen: Greg: yes as soon as things move the board has no influence any more.
[22:02:55] … Current practice is: policy is defined and if so the question will raise on the board table
[22:03:08] … So does the board say yes for such cases?
[22:03:14] Greg Rose: Yes.
[22:03:43] Guillaume Rogmany: We can give 200 points to assurers, so we can boot OA assurers too. it sounds wise.
[22:04:07] … but we have to be careful too
[22:04:30] … so yes
[22:04:39] Teus Hagen: So Guillaume says yes?
[22:04:44] Evaldo Gardenali: yes
[22:04:45] Guillaume Rogmany: yes
[22:04:49] rcruikshank: aye
[22:04:54] Teus Hagen: 200 point thing is an implementation thing.
[22:05:08] … Evaldo?
[22:05:11] Evaldo Gardenali: yes
[22:05:12] Greg Rose: But we know what we mean... enable OA to get going.
[22:05:38] Teus Hagen: ok thanks for the comments.  OA will be added that way.
[22:05:49] … more on poin 8?
[22:05:57] Greg Rose: I need to go soon...
[22:06:19] Teus Hagen: ok Greg. There is not much so important.
[22:06:27] Guillaume Rogmany: ok for me on point 8
[22:06:37] Teus Hagen: Point 9 is just for information I think. Any comments/questions?
[22:06:52] Evaldo Gardenali: motion to approve Teus Hagen as new President, effective from the date of Greg Rose's resignation
[22:07:11] Teus Hagen: yes forgot that one.
[22:07:24] Guillaume Rogmany: yes I second the motion
[22:07:25] rcruikshank: aye
[22:07:31] Greg Rose: aye.
[22:07:34] Teus Hagen: obstain from my side.
[22:07:40] … Have some comments:
[22:07:50] Greg Rose: My resignation should be taken as effective at the end of this meeting.
[22:08:35] Teus Hagen: there are to many heads for me inside CAcert: M-SC and arbitration managment, policy stearing involvements mainly.
[22:09:00] … So this president title might limit me on other work for CAcert.
[22:09:22] rcruikshank: what takes priority
[22:09:54] Teus Hagen: ok but keep an eye on this and comment me when neded.
[22:10:06] Evaldo Gardenali: ok
[22:10:13] … Teus: you are already Vice-President
[22:10:26] Teus Hagen: no comments on point 9?
[22:10:36] Evaldo Gardenali: point 9 can be postponed
[22:10:47] … we do not have enough arguments for that today
[22:10:54] Teus Hagen: point 10: CAcert chart
[22:11:25] … Evaldo is doing last changes for tech. dept?
[22:11:51] Evaldo Gardenali: Teus: sorry, I could not do that in time. Will adjust as Cachaca progresses
[22:11:53] … by the way
[22:12:28] … Cachaca needs the definition that I am leading the Systems Administration department/office, in order to proceed at full steam
[22:12:37] rcruikshank: Sebastian resigned from document job?
[22:12:43] Evaldo Gardenali: Robert: yes
[22:12:58] Teus Hagen: yes I used the word stearing which is for me similar to leading.
[22:13:31] Evaldo Gardenali: ok, that needs to be noted in the chart
[22:13:39] … any other comments?
[22:14:10] Teus Hagen: doc. job: yes we have to find someone else. Not much he has done but he looked promissing. He has quite some job on secure-ut noiw.
[22:14:31] … no more comments on the chart?
[22:14:48] … point 11:
[22:15:00] … AGM: XYZ=7th of November?
[22:15:23] Evaldo Gardenali: 8 to 9 (weekend) ?
[22:15:35] … evening 8 us, morning 9 au ?
[22:16:02] rcruikshank: saterday morning
[22:16:08] Evaldo Gardenali: ah ok
[22:16:11] rcruikshank: that's fine
[22:16:13] Evaldo Gardenali: so 7 to 8
[22:16:28] rcruikshank: yes
[22:16:47] Teus Hagen: 7 to 8: yes from Robert,
[22:17:01] rcruikshank: IRC or Skype
[22:17:03] Greg Rose: fine by me.
[22:17:04] Teus Hagen: Evaldo, Guillaume, Greg (?:-)
[22:17:08] Evaldo Gardenali: ok
[22:17:10] Guillaume Rogmany: ok
[22:17:16] Teus Hagen: add by-law changes for non-profit thing?
[22:17:27] Evaldo Gardenali: yes
[22:17:34] Greg Rose: If necessary.
[22:17:36] Evaldo Gardenali: we have a new member proposition
[22:17:39] Guillaume Rogmany: Yes we'll need that
[22:17:42] Teus Hagen: Ask M-SC to get things running?
[22:17:48] rcruikshank: yes will have to do that with notice time
[22:17:49] Greg Rose: OK
[22:18:37] Teus Hagen: anything to add on AGM point?
[22:19:02] … Point 12: sub-committee. M-SC any questions?
[22:19:36] … anyone is reading/following the wiki minutes?
[22:19:45] Greg Rose: Gotta go. Thanks all, good luck, keep in touch.
[22:19:55] Teus Hagen: OK Greg thanks!
[22:20:03] rcruikshank: thanks Greg
[22:20:05] Guillaume Rogmany: Greg : thank you
[22:20:17] Evaldo Gardenali: Teus: I do not think we need a technical subcommittee right now
[22:20:30] … Teus: it would end up for us 2 to manage it anyways
[22:20:53] … Greg, thanks! have a good trip
[22:21:23] Guillaume Rogmany: Evaldo : "we have a new member proposition" ?
[22:21:36] Teus Hagen: agree, but it will in the future (I hope) This as M-SC gets overloaded and too powerfull. The problem with M-SC is as well that auditer gets too powerfull. Still nothing wrong now but it can.
[22:21:37] Evaldo Gardenali: Guillaume: when we change subjects
[22:22:08] … Teus: Auditor does not have right to vote. So either one of us 2 gets too weak, or he does not have power :)
[22:22:20] … and yes, in the future we will need to revise this, when we have more people
[22:22:43] Teus Hagen: well the practice is there is no votiung but consensus driven..
[22:23:26] … Ok reminder: M-SC has one empty seat. To be filled some time with a CAcert association member hopefuly.
[22:23:42] … OK close point 12?
[22:23:46] Evaldo Gardenali: close
[22:23:54] Guillaume Rogmany: ok
[22:24:12] Evaldo Gardenali: motion to accept new member Thomas Widhalm, nominated by Gary Lee Adams, seconded by Nicholas Bebout
[22:24:31] Teus Hagen: any question or arisement before we leave this meeting?
[22:24:41] … Ok motion of evaldo:
[22:24:44] … Aye
[22:24:47] rcruikshank: aye
[22:24:56] Guillaume Rogmany: aye (second)
[22:25:10] Teus Hagen: more new members?
[22:25:14] Evaldo Gardenali: no.
[22:25:26] Teus Hagen: other things?
[22:25:28] Guillaume Rogmany: can't we push Philipp in ?
[22:25:29] Evaldo Gardenali: there is another idea that came by
[22:25:55] rcruikshank: push Philipp in what
[22:25:57] Teus Hagen: Guillaume explain
[22:26:05] Guillaume Rogmany: I mean as a member
[22:26:20] rcruikshank: does he want to be a member
[22:26:45] Teus Hagen: he was asked several times and indicated to me he did not want to.
[22:26:46] Evaldo Gardenali: He refused to be an association member
[22:26:52] Guillaume Rogmany: But we can ask him "officialy"
[22:26:54] Evaldo Gardenali: I asked him several times
[22:27:12] Guillaume Rogmany: Evaldo : I know
[22:27:18] Evaldo Gardenali: Guillaume, no, that is not how things work. he has a reason for not joining. whatever it is.
[22:27:38] … he told me he had conflict of interest, once
[22:27:41] Teus Hagen: On TOP we asked as it sounds silly if you are techn in charge and no member...
[22:28:04] … He refused still. But we can ask and I will.
[22:28:13] Evaldo Gardenali: ok
[22:28:43] Teus Hagen: Is this ok to you Guillkaume?
[22:28:50] Guillaume Rogmany: Fine for me.
[22:29:01] Teus Hagen: Back to question of valdo: please repeat
[22:29:19] Evaldo Gardenali: Ian asked that Pat Wilson could meet us in Austria when we are moving the systems, for better/faster Security Manual writing
[22:30:03] … this would involve something like 1500-2000 EUR, from CAcert's ordinary funds, and is a bit high for our standards, but in his opinion could do wonders in Security Manyal
[22:30:10] … Manual
[22:30:12] Guillaume Rogmany: Where is Pat Wilson from ?
[22:30:31] Teus Hagen: I think this belongs to Ian his audit project. So if he and Pat wants it he can ask to ack the travel expenses.
[22:30:32] rcruikshank: US
[22:30:33] Evaldo Gardenali: She is currently living in US, if I remember correctly, West Coast
[22:31:57] Guillaume Rogmany: ok for travel expense and accomodation, of course, we need her skills.
[22:32:43] Teus Hagen: Back to the request: I think it is mainly up to Ian and then a little thing to ack that with CAcert in order to keep some control on expenses and NLnet-MoU requirements.
[22:33:34] … Conclsuion: there is no realy comments against this idea from the board. Rest is to Ian.
[22:33:57] … The thing is the costs are taken from that project....
[22:34:08] … More comments?
[22:34:09] rcruikshank: funding we can work out later
[22:34:22] … shouldn't be a problem
[22:35:24] Teus Hagen: ok this means that if there is an overshoot of expenses there are if argumented possibilities to cover fin. needed extra.
[22:35:50] Guillaume Rogmany: ok
[22:36:09] Evaldo Gardenali: we have allocated a lot from the nlnet agreement already
[22:36:13] Teus Hagen: Conclusion: we see what happens with Pat. My guess: more things and ideas will arise...
[22:36:30] … more for round table?
[22:36:38] rcruikshank: no
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[22:37:36] Teus Hagen: OK thanks. We will wrap this log into the wiki somehow....
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[22:38:19] Teus Hagen: OK have a nice day and for the EU a good sleep.
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[22:39:28] Teus Hagen: OK bye!
[22:39:36] rcruikshank: ok bye thanks
[22:40:41] Evaldo Gardenali: bye
[22:40:48] Guillaume Rogmany: cya